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Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Turtle » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:15 pm

Hey all,

Just spent the morning with Mike at AOI . . . he's thinking that my crappy tires on the stock Moabs with stock backspacing are not helping my death-wobble. He suggested that before I replace the control arms, try swapping on a set of wheels and tires from someone else.

I just need to throw them on long enough to hit a road where I can get up to around 55mph. My LJ has a budget boost on it, so they can be up to 33s for the purpose of this, but 31s or 32s would be ideal. Also, I would prefer finding a set of aftermarket wheels so I can see if the extra backspacing will help. Thanks, guys.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Keith_c » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:17 pm

Turtle wrote:Hey all,

Just spent the morning with Mike at AOI . . . he's thinking that my crappy tires on the stock Moabs with stock backspacing are not helping my death-wobble. He suggested that before I replace the control arms, try swapping on a set of wheels and tires from someone else.

I just need to throw them on long enough to hit a road where I can get up to around 55mph. My LJ has a budget boost on it, so they can be up to 33s for the purpose of this, but 31s or 32s would be ideal. Also, I would prefer finding a set of aftermarket wheels so I can see if the extra backspacing will help. Thanks, guys.
1. Doubt the backspacing has anything to do with it.

2. After market wheels will have LESS backspacing, not EXTRA.

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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Toaddragon » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:29 pm

I have my wheels off my WJ that are in great condition with no issues. I need to call mike about my DW actually.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Turtle » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:35 pm

Mike,
Aren't they a different bolt pattern for a TJ? I forget which year it changed.

Mike at AOI said to try it, so I'm trying it. And yeah, I guess I meant less backspacing than stock.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Jonny » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:56 pm

5 on 5.5, sorry buddy
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Cowboy » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:29 pm

I don't see how changing wheels would change the geometry causing a "wobble". Even if you had an unevenly worn or unbalanced tire that wouldn't cause a "wobble, it would cause a vibration. I'd guess you have something loose or worn out in the track bar, tie rod/drag link and/or control arms.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by jeepboy » Tue Sep 28, 2010 6:53 pm

I dont think wheels or backspacing has anything to do with deathwobble. Im not a expert but I have had a lot of lifted jeeps but my opinion is it has something to do with the budget lift ,draglink , tie rod end or something is lose. I live in edgewater if you need help trying to figure it let me know Ill give you a hand. :pic09
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Toaddragon » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:45 pm

yeah I thought about that after I posted sorry. I have the same issue and when he said to try swapping tires I thought about it and it wouldn't make any sense since its the side to side action that causes it. Well so long as your wheels are all balanced and rims are not bent badly. I had mike balance all my wheels, check my alignment all of which checked out along with nothing loose but he tightened it up to make sure anyways. I replaced my whole drag link assembly and I just got back from Frederick with the adjuster sleeve for the tie rod assembly which I will be installing as soon as I eat this pizza and wash it down with a beer.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Turtle » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:19 pm

Well, I have already replaced the trackbar with an adjustable unit, and that was aligned properly so that isn't it.

The tire thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, but I had my normal mechanic balance all four wheels (they were all perfectly balanced) for me several weeks ago, and when he did, he swapped the back wheels to the front, as they have slightly better tread on them. He said that when he did, it made the Jeep un-drivable, the vibrations were so bad. Swapped them back, and it was only back to as bad as it was before. With that in mind, I figured what Mike was saying could have some merit to it.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Toaddragon » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:28 pm

Just finished the removal and install of my tie rod assembly didn't take long at all. Mine were toast. But the road test in a few min will tell. While I had the hubs and ball joints acting freely of each other I tried to find any play in them and couldn't so I am hoping the tie rods will fix the issue.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Toaddragon » Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:42 pm

ok home alignment done and joy ride complete. I noticed about the same steering to slightly firmer. I drove almost all the way to work up 97 and around me neighborhood. I ran the crap out of it trying to get a reaction and only got it once on this help that is laden with good bumps to induce some death wobble. While I could feel it wanting to try it didn't. I think it was just another contributor and not the root source.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Toaddragon » Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:48 am

The jeep was great this morning besides the steering feeling just a little off probably from my alignment and I had it act up once when I crossed the busted bridge on rt140 coming into Reisterstown. It worked when I needed to avoid a cow this morning on the backside of the base though, lol. I need to replace the rubber boot on front axles shafts where it meets the hub and I am thinking of just replacing the ball joints and hub assembly while I am at it. DW is really like chasing a ghost.
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2000 WJ 4'' RC lift Grocery Getter and RC approved.
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by ripster » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:51 am

Worn tires will most definitely induce death wobble. Normally they are just one of several things needing attention, but they can be the problem all by themselves.

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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by Toaddragon » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:16 pm

Both sets of my tires are low mileage and evenly worn, no flat spots or bulges. But for Sh8t and giggles I can swap them to see what i get. Thanks for the input Ripster.
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2006 F250 Super Duty Powerstoke, Crew cab, Tow rig
2000 WJ 4'' RC lift Grocery Getter and RC approved.
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1989 YJ - Project (SBF, axles, ect)
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Re: Need to test-fit a set of wheels

Post by wesleypipesyo » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:16 pm

Wanna try a set of 35's. They "fit" on my jeep.
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