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Post by rj91jeep » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:42 am

Toaddragon wrote:poor Ryan but hey you will have more space in the garage when it is complete.
I can get my new frame back in the garage and start back on building my cj once the scrambler is done. That's my biggest motivator at this point


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Re: Pinky's Scrambler project

Post by OrangeSpear » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:58 am

rj91jeep wrote:Guess I should go buy more redbull now cause I don't see much sleep in my future the next few days.

Is the goal to have it fully assembled by the Sunday night?


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Post by 82jten » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:19 am

I will be up ther tonight, Corey just text me a time.
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Re: Pinky's Scrambler project

Post by OrangeSpear » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:10 am

Wiring is mostly complete in the dash and ready to install. Grounding was and still is an issue.

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Now that the dash is in and mostly connected, The cage can be lowered in.
wired the cage up first. Adding the TJ sound bar, the surfboard and pink led lights under the seat rails. The surf board houses the CB and all dome lights are wired in.

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Seats are going in... (dome light works)

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and now for one of Pinky's favorite features of the 8, the LED pink lights. They come on with the radio and have 16 modes. They can pulse and dance to the music or just do what you set them to do. The radio (which is installed in the center console) is on its on switch. I did this so that we would have the option of listening to the radio without having to use the key. (this is either a good idea or a bad one, time will tell) The lights are powered from the same switch but they have their own controller so they can be turned off.
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Hood and both fenders are on by this point. You can also start to see some of the custom graphics that will be going on the 8. My wife is a graphics designer and I have a vinyl plotter. So i am able to do all of my own vinyl work. (which we do sell)
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SoftTop install.

We went with the Bestop Tigertop. For the most part this is only 2 softtops for the 8 that are still being manufactured, that i was able to find new not used. Both of them are sold by Bestop. So far i am not that happy with the quality of this top at ALL.

This top was chosen because the sides and rear windows roll up and are not removed. This seemed like the best option for my wife. It would be easier for a person her size to roll them up rather then remove them and attempt to put them back on. And we do like the look of the Safari.

The bad:
  • That said quality is questionable so far. The top arrives in a box that has been pieced together from multiple other boxes and taped up to look like a square box.
  • most of the contents in the box were just rolling around. Some were in baggies and some was just loose. Like the little hitch pins were just floating around. You need 4 and we can only find 3.
  • the part that screw onto the windshield is in 2 pieces. One was painted and the other was bare metal.
  • the instructions say to slide the top in through the windshield channel ends. When doing this it cant make it past the first large seam that is sewn in. IT RIPPED! so now the top ripped trying to slide it into the windshield channel. It is a small rip that is on the inside of the seam. But when you spend $1100.00, you dont want it to rip that easily. We took a large screwdriver and made the opening slightly larger so that the seam would actually fit in the channel past the sharp edges of the starting point.
  • when you roll up the sides it has 3 straps that are hanging for you to snap the rolled up sides into. Attempting to unsnap them i ripped the first snap in the strap and the other 2 straps were extremely hard to snap shut.
  • The wing nuts that were provided to screw the door channel frame together would not fit. I had to run a die on the threads to get the wing nuts to tighten.
  • I also called Bestop before this purchase to ask them about the doors. I had seen the video that they have on YouTube and I have seen images posted around the internet from vendors and they pretty much all show different style doors. So i called and asked them, Do the doors that come with Tigertop have the window in the bottom of the door or is it solid fabric on the bottom. Cause i did NOT want the door with the window on the bottom. Guess what i got? The door with the window on the bottom. The complete opposite of what i was told.
  • The instructions talked about the door needing these 4 tube collars to make the door complete. Well we can only find 3 collars. But the door is already one piece. So im assuming that they have updated the frame in the door but are still shipping old instructions and parts. (and not even all of the parts)
Well, on with the show. Not sure anything can be done but i thought i would share.

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Next we took it on a mini test drive. Up the street and back.
(front bumper is not installed yet cause we are fighting a power-steering leak and it is easier to work on it without the bumper and wench in the way.)
[also the softtop snaps are not installed. I would like for the top to be warmer before i install the snaps. so in the next few days when it gets to sit in the sun and get hot, i will then install the snaps.]
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While we are letting it sit there and idle, i noticed things starting to shut off. First the radio, then the lights, then the blower motor was hardly spinning.
Well you probably guessed it. It wasn't charging. Next thing to troubleshoot. It is a brand new alternator but new things have been DOA before.

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Post by Toaddragon » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:16 pm

Looks great guys, nice work. Sucks the top is not up to par, I assume you called and complained about it?
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Post by OrangeSpear » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:49 am

need brake help.

i currently have a wide Dana 44 front axle from a 1977 Cherokee chief with disk brakes and my rear is a Ford nine rear with drum brakes. All brake hardware is brand new. Brake MC, Booster and proportioning valve are from a 91 YJ. the booster and MC were one of many options/suggestions that i went with.

We cant get this 8 to stop properly. I now have also replaced the MC with a new one and swapped in another known good working Booster. The brakes have been bled over 15 times and it has been bled mechanically.

What else should I check or test? Should I switch to a different MC and booster?

I installed all brake hardware so maybe I should post up pictures for verification that it's all correct. I can do this this afternoon.

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Post by wesleypipesyo » Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:28 am

What about the proportioning valve? Did you try to find yourself one that is adjustable?
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Post by OrangeSpear » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:31 am

wesleypipesyo wrote:What about the proportioning valve? Did you try to find yourself one that is adjustable?
No. First time I'm hearing about this.

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Re: Pinky's Scrambler project

Post by wesleypipesyo » Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:43 am

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wesleypipesyo wrote:What about the proportioning valve? Did you try to find yourself one that is adjustable?
No. First time I'm hearing about this.

I know that it helps when you go from drums to disks on an axle. But it will let you send more brake pedal to the rear or less. You might have the right master cylinder but just not enough pressure going to rear tires.
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Re: Pinky's Scrambler project

Post by frosty » Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:32 pm

Here is what Rippy is running on his and his son's jeep. Both might be around the same caliper/cylinder sizes as yours.

Me: stock 1995 YJ master & booster (change-over year, so it's TJ stuff)
Rear: stock 1978 Bronco drums
Front: Sami rotors & Willwood calipers (to fit 15" wheels)
My brakes work awesome.

Ethan: stock 1992 YJ master & booster
Rear: F150 rotors? & Chev calipers
Front: stock waggy D44
Ethan's is inadequate, but we have a TJ master & booster to swap on his. Will still need an adjustable proportioning.

I think a 95 YJ or TJ booster would help. I've got a TJ prop valve from a disk/drum jeep you can borrow if you want. The adjustable, at least that I've used, is for either front or rear so you might need two in order to plumb in adjustable props.
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Post by Toaddragon » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:04 pm

when you bled them were they solid? I mean with the jeep not running and just bleeding you were able to get a firm pedal? have you put a vac gauge on the vac line feeding your booster? When I put the 77 D44 Wag disk front axle and 86 Wag D44 drum rear in my YJ, I found that even with a new booster and master along with a new vac pump (diesel) it was not enough and I had to go with the hydroboost. any it is just a thought but maybe the line or a splitter has a leak somewhere. good luck, I hated tearing it apart a dozen times trying to figure out what was going on and bleeding, ect. Also be careful with the wheel cylinders I had a problem with them cracking. This happened on all the different brand parts I could find from every auto parts dealer large and small for the D44 but I wonder if they have that part in common since some other parts are common between the two.
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Post by OrangeSpear » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:11 pm

I'm still reading what y'all posted but in the mean time.

We just swapped in a known good proportioning valve (not adjustable) and we have good vacuum coming from motor.

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Post by Toaddragon » Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:39 pm

Did you sacrifice a live chicken to the jeep gods and spread the blood over the hood? Then you will need to wash it off so just pour some bud lite lime or something on it and drink a good beer to the Jeep gods!!!!
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Post by OrangeSpear » Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:25 pm

Houston we found a problem. Rear drums. Wheel cylinder is only pushing out one side. We are replacing them now.

Yes they were new.

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Re: Pinky's Scrambler project

Post by OrangeSpear » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:37 am

brakes are working now. The 8 stops real good now and if I so desired i can lock the brakes up.

The main problem was the the thickness of the fiberglass wall. That part of the fiberglass wall is double layered with a steel plate in it making it thicker than the OEM steel wall. So the piston coming out of the booster was not traveling as far as it should into the MC. Once that was adjusted and lengthen, I had brakes.

Thank you to all that helped and gave advice.

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