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Goodbye "Mud Bandit"....Hello rock racer.

Post by wgilbertpt » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:40 pm

Decided racing would be a lot more exciting than mud. So plan is to keep the current motor. the 454 is strong and was able to smoke all 4 44" boggers on the comp course, did real well in the mud and had no stumbling or cutting out off camber. Build plan will include the following:
TH400- full manual valve body with engine braking and reverse pattern
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Chevy 203-Ford 205 Doubler
Ford D60 axles front and rear, 5:13 gears, rear spool, front ARB, 35 spline alloy throughout
Backhalf the rear, all tube
front tube frame retaining only from the motor mounts to just behind the seats.

I got started this weekend and removed the drivetrain, chopped the tub and the frame.
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Post by TonyTJ » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:51 pm

:popcorn: im in.
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Post by rj91jeep » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:19 pm

cool. im slowly gathering parts to build my cj to run in the rock race. are you gonna stay on the 44s or are you going to go to a smaller tire to help keep it low.
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Post by wgilbertpt » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:52 am

I'm going to see if i can get a good price for them, if not then I'm going to run em.
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Re: Goodbye "Mud Bandit"....Hello rock racer.

Post by dan58 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:59 am

Two things......
Don't get a MVB with compression braking in first gear for racing. Even the 3rd to 2nd downshift is a doozy in mine. Think of downshifting a manual and dropping the clutch immediately. That's how it feels.

Switch the ARB to the rear. You will turn 100% better with the rear unlocked than the front. A spooled front will always turn with full hydro, but a spool in the rear will push you through turns.

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Post by TJGreg » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:09 am

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Post by ripster » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:33 pm

dan58 wrote:Switch the ARB to the rear. You will turn 100% better with the rear unlocked than the front. A spooled front will always turn with full hydro, but a spool in the rear will push you through turns.
I concur.

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Post by wgilbertpt » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:00 pm

dan58 wrote:Two things......
Don't get a MVB with compression braking in first gear for racing. Even the 3rd to 2nd downshift is a doozy in mine. Think of downshifting a manual and dropping the clutch immediately. That's how it feels.

Switch the ARB to the rear. You will turn 100% better with the rear unlocked than the front. A spooled front will always turn with full hydro, but a spool in the rear will push you through turns.
DIdn't even think about that. Guess it would be interchangeable front to rear? Too late on the manual valve body, guess it is easy enough to change it later if i don't like it.
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Re: Goodbye "Mud Bandit"....Hello rock racer.

Post by Cowboy » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:20 am

Much more interested in this thread than the previous build 8)

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Re: Goodbye "Mud Bandit"....Hello rock racer.

Post by dan58 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:19 am

wgilbertpt wrote:
dan58 wrote:Two things......
Don't get a MVB with compression braking in first gear for racing. Even the 3rd to 2nd downshift is a doozy in mine. Think of downshifting a manual and dropping the clutch immediately. That's how it feels.

Switch the ARB to the rear. You will turn 100% better with the rear unlocked than the front. A spooled front will always turn with full hydro, but a spool in the rear will push you through turns.
DIdn't even think about that. Guess it would be interchangeable front to rear? Too late on the manual valve body, guess it is easy enough to change it later if i don't like it.
60 is a 60. :wink:

Many MVBs do not have compression braking in first, so you may be off the hook.

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Re: Goodbye "Mud Bandit"....Hello rock racer.

Post by wgilbertpt » Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:55 pm

dan58 wrote:
wgilbertpt wrote:
dan58 wrote:Two things......
Don't get a MVB with compression braking in first gear for racing. Even the 3rd to 2nd downshift is a doozy in mine. Think of downshifting a manual and dropping the clutch immediately. That's how it feels.

Switch the ARB to the rear. You will turn 100% better with the rear unlocked than the front. A spooled front will always turn with full hydro, but a spool in the rear will push you through turns.
DIdn't even think about that. Guess it would be interchangeable front to rear? Too late on the manual valve body, guess it is easy enough to change it later if i don't like it.
60 is a 60. :wink:

Many MVBs do not have compression braking in first, so you may be off the hook.
I'm running Ford D60's front is high pinion, rear is low pinion. still interchangeable?
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Post by frosty » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:12 pm

wgilbertpt wrote:I'm running Ford D60's front is high pinion, rear is low pinion. still interchangeable?
Should be interchangeable. Part # for a 35 spline D60 with 4.56+ gears is RD35. No differentiation between HP and LP.
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Post by frosty » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:16 pm

Thats also based on you saying
wgilbertpt wrote:35 spline alloy throughout
and me assuming you mean both axles.
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Post by frosty » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:21 pm

Why the hell is there no edit button in here? This is annoying beyond belief. :roll:

If you dont do your own gears its going to set you back the cost of a regear. Just something to think about.

And how sad is it that you've already built a rig, wheeled it, tore it down and started the 2nd rebuild and I cant even finish my first build.
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Re: Goodbye "Mud Bandit"....Hello rock racer.

Post by wgilbertpt » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:12 pm

frosty wrote:Why the hell is there no edit button in here? This is annoying beyond belief. :roll:

If you dont do your own gears its going to set you back the cost of a regear. Just something to think about.

And how sad is it that you've already built a rig, wheeled it, tore it down and started the 2nd rebuild and I cant even finish my first build.
But remember I love building it as much as wheeling, many people dread fixing it over and over again.
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